Yeah, that was stupid.

You, however, have no business talking about disgusting.

You've gone too far to have any authority on that subject.

This isn't about the scam.
It's about the way you treated that man.

I'm not one of those who think that CCP should ban you.
I'm not against scamming, either.
And yes, I've seen far worse than this.

But players like you are a large part of what drives people away from EVE, and I'd rather have ten more newbies around, rather than a "content creator" like you.

Riptar Teg for CSM!!!!!

A message sponsored by Riptar Teg at the expense of a nice poor man by the name of Sohkar who couldn't be with us today because he's in an orange jumpsuit sitting in a prison cell wondering if his cellmate is going to be kind or rough this evening.

Cold hard reality of life is Death threats = Prison time.


Heres the math forumla

Death threats = REAL LIFE PRISON TIME FOR SOHKAR

RIPTAR TEG FOR CSM!!!

Got any evidence for that?

Personally I joined EVE because of its freedom to scam, loot and pillage.

Eve is a game that is notorious for unethical behavior. It thrives on it. Your ethics have no place in my Eve.

except unethical behavior is what brought us here.

lies, deceit, theft, betrayal. the myriad of morally bankrupt shenanigans are what made this game so appealing to many people.

There called tools. Ethics has nothing to do with it.

no. something is either ethical, or it isn't.

unethical is a relative understanding. just like good and bad.

unethical is a understanding misused by both sides to prove their own superiority and correctness.

Your ethics are completely arbitrary, and so are mine. That is why society collectively comes up with rules and laws, instead of requiring each individual to use their own ethics as a guide.

No rules or laws were broken here, and your ethics are irrelevant. Move along.

People don't want to play a game that exposes them to immoral behavior? So you speak for all of us now?

How is it immoral? Honestly. Did you think Fear Factor was immoral? Because that game show kind of did the same thing Erotica does during the last few stages of the bonus round (asking one to voluntarily humiliate themselves and/or place themselves directly in the path of something they fear). Again... the contestant can walk away at any time. And there HAVE been winners. Just because it's REALLY hard to win, doesn't mean it's impossible.

When you play EVE, you get exposed to lots of different sociopaths, and that has been accepted as par for the course. Even players who are well-adjusted, high-functioning members of society, away from the keyboard, turn into cackling supervillains out to ruin everyone's day, the moment Aura says "connecting". And that fact has done nothing but give EVE publicity and subscriptions, since day 1.

Lastly..... are you seriously suggesting that every player should be expected to act like an ambassador for the game, and provide free advertisement to CCP? You MUST be a carebear, because only carebears willingly treat this game like a job.

A line was clearly crossed guys.

Erotica 1 gained possession of someone's in-game assets and then ask that they sing in order to get them back.

This is unprecedented in EVE Online's history and clearly violates the EULA

Article
Section 3
Paragraph 2
Subparagraph 6
The user shall not, at any point, request that another user sings.

Clearly.

But wait this was on TS3 so does the EULA cover it, or not?

If the EULA covers it... what part of the EULA did Erotica 1 breach?

If the EULA does not cover it... then why are we even having this discussion? No laws were broken, either.

I don't think so.

But don't care about that.
I care about the fact that people like E1 actively drive away new players.

Completely false. It's about ISK only.

No, you're the one defending a vicious and hateful racist who made death threats over video game assets, not us. There is never any excuse to do what he did, least of all some 'jerk' playing with them over teamspeak. Your stance here shows the same kind of immorality and irresponsibility as the so called 'victim'.

Interesting thread...

On one side there is a gullible (and at least situationally naive) person who willingly gave away all his in-game stuff and accepted the terms of the bonus room. Which probably wasn't a good example of human intelligence.

On the other side we have a clever person who took advantage of the not so clever guy. Which probably wasn't the epitome of kindness.

And then things were said, stuff happened and then more things were said.
And now we have a threadnought asking tons of question...

Was it illegal? Is Ero a criminal now? - Ugh... serious? I don't think so... No.
Was it against the EULA? Did it break the rules? - Erm... that's hard to say. It seems that it's not exactly covered in the rules.
Did it happen in the game? - Well... it's somehow an edgy case. Technically it was not in the game, but it started there.

Maybe we're just not asking the right questions...

Can CCP do something against it? - Yes, of course.
Could it harm the game? - If **** hits the fan? Yes, very much probably.

The answer to the last question is the main reason why I think CCP should do something about it.
That brings us to another, maybe the most important question: What should CCP do?

Ero didn't really make a secret out of his bonus room. Nor is the bonus room really new. Remember the thread in GD about the guy who was podded back to newbie SP status? CCP can not claim that they didn't know. And since they didn't do anything about it then, doing something drastic now would be unfair. Because with no warnings given Ero was in his rights to believe not being in the red with CCP.
It would have been easy for CCP to approach Ero and tell him discreetly to shut down the bonus room "or else". It's still possible to do that and simply lock this thread for the excessive trolling going on on both sides.

Btw, I did say last November, that I wouldn't suggest to draw that much attention to the bonus room. I guess I'm not always wrong.

A "racist" victim.

I just provided that as an example why CCP can't claim they didn't know about the bonus room. Nothing more.

Hey man anyones behavior on the outside world is there own choosing. Who is anyone to judge? The constitution allows it. Go read whatever religious text consoles you on the matter.

Anger is an excuse for death threats and racism. Man, those *** guys must be continually pissed.

While I hate to use a real life example, I'll do it here. It's like self defense. You can defend your self against someone else trying to hurt you, but there is a limit to that. A guy slaps you in the face makes you angry and justifies self defense, but thats no reason to kill the guy, chop him up , kidnap his family and force feed his remains to them (srry, was watcing Southpark).

More than once I've seen someone go too far in self defense (like for example chasing down a guy who snatched an iphone, getting the iphone back the procedding to stomp the theif to the point where he ends up with brain damage and multiple broken bones) and the result has been the appropriate one: the original attacker is usually convicted where as the person who went too far gets even more time.

That's what should happen here. If somehting happens to Erotica1 (and well, who knows, it might be justified), the racist guy throwing real life death threats should get even more.

No one said anything about Erotica1 being hurt, HOWEVER Erotica1 was subjected to death threats, which is WAY worse than losing some video game assets because you were greedy.

That is the point. Sohkar or whatever his name was had a right to be mad. He had no right to break the law and spew racist abuse at anyone. He went too far.

To proper thing to have done was tell erotica1 to go screw himself (which isn't a threat but rather a fun at home activity) and disconnect. That he did not makes his actions more reprehensible than anything Erotica1 did or could have done.

You do realize that the only person involved in this event that could face criminal charges is Sokhar, right?

You seem to have an issue with readong comprehension. Who said anyhting about justifying Erotica1's actions?

Again, there is NO justifcation, whatsoever for death threats and racial abuse. Erotica1 could have threatened his life and made racial slurs 1st and thats STILL not a justification for What that sohkar guy did.

Which is why I say, if anything happens to erotica1 , it is only right that worse sanctions be applied to the person who actually broke the law and rules of the game (racial abuse is prohibited in EVE online)

I don't see any harm done to Sokhar at all, except to perhaps his pride.

I'd politely ask you to read this post out loud, and perhaps sing a song for me, but apparently that would allow you to justifiably react somewhat violently as it would alter your frame of mind.

If you are arguing nothing, why ar eyou wasting your time with posting?

What im tellling you is that you posistion is simply incorrect.

You and everyone else are free to find the actions disgusting if you like. But the fact that you find those action disgusting but then make excuses for RACISM and DEATH THREATS says worse things about you than Erotica1s' creepy actions say about him.

You forgot the word voluntarily.

So he agreed to singing and how did he get humiliated again?

D.

Giving the section in question a second listen, it seemed to me like E1 was quite suprised when the death threats and nbombs started dropping. In fact, our "victim" surprised me with this - and lost any sympathy he could have gotten from me in the first place.

Fail.

HTFU?

I think you hit the nail on the head with that . Where is the line in these situations. For all discussions and commentators most agree, myself including scamming is fine. But once scam is completed and you have all possible assets extracted , is it ok to prolong the ordeal for the sucker ( victime , self inflicted) for tear extraction as it is called in-game. Should the EULA be more stringent on that aspect of scamming. Me personally i say yes . As for punshment i will disagree , there should be perma ban for Erotica1 for taking it too far, then putting this public domain which has a consequence for the whole community. There should be a temp ban for the sucker (victim ,self inflicted ) for the racism , and threats that followed. Why the lesser punishment . He was under self inflicted emotional duress, which was not completely under his control as his assets where being held to ransom , by that he had to play or loose everything he built up in his eve carrier . Coercion is used by Erotica1 , the scenario was set up by erotica1 , The control to end this was completely in Erotica1 hands . Ultimate responsibility is with the scammer Erotica1 for this entire situation